So i began to research Carroll really by typing 'Was Lewis Carroll a pedophile?' in to google , i thought there must be some academic research of some kind about this. I know there have been a few films and plays on this subject.
Well i came across this flikr account which had a few pics of alice as take by Carroll. We know that Carroll took thousands of photographs, a fair hundred of which were of young children in states of undress. Defenders of the Alice in Wonderland author say that this is simply 'The cult of the child' which was a victorian fascination with purity and innocence which tied in to gettng back to nature cults.
Anyway, the owner of the account said he had done some investigation in Carrolls background so i followed his link.
called Carroll one of Englands most famous pedophiles.So i followed that link hoping for some kind of academic evidence, letters or something (We know the Through The Looking Glass authors family destroyed most of his letters and photographs after his death- by that time he was very famous).
The propoganda on their 'mission statement' immediately stopped me looking any further. I actually felt sick, because i was not expecting to encounter this.
I never went farther than the front page, but its a pedophiles 'how to'.
It was disturbing to say the least to go from flikr to a wordpress blog to a website devoted to pedophiles, albeit one set up with some skill at camouflage.
I have addressed the issue of pedophiles and their actions online on my blog.
Detailing their attempts to use Youtube to manipulate children.
http://sundersartwork.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/great-foot-dare-game.html
To their use of mainstream sales websites to sell de facto child porn in the form of lolita cosplay films.
http://sundersartwork.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/amazon-sells-child-porn.html
Whatever your views on the mental illness of pedophiles it appears they are using the internet in a variety of ways, covert and overt and the best defence, is as ever, education.
Never knew about Lewis in the first place, the internet is a paradise for bloody pedophiles!
ReplyDeleteThanks Lurker, it seems to be. I actually had a slightly pathetic mild pannic attack last night when i stumbled accross gl.garden.org Their website looks so normal , they designed it to look like an art site , not only to delude themselves that what they do is not destroying children s lives, but to hide from the authorities. The front page is full of links to either other sites or as a training manual on how to hide yourself online. One of the paragraphs with a link informed 'how to create a separate online i.p, how to use tor (this hides your i.p) and how to avoid being tracked.
DeleteOf course their doing it all for 'the children'. Yup an 8 year old girls got to have the 'democratic right' to be molested by some pedo.
Luckily these sites are always monitored by cops.
Your right about the internet but i think like you said before on another post i made. It has to be a collaboration between the parents and the authorities to educate children in a language they can understand to be safe online.
Right. lol. This is no more pedo posts after this lol. Im sticking to art based stuff. I only posted because i had to get it off my chest.
I also never knew about Lewis. And that Mission statement sounds like a whole lot of words strung together to sound like eloquent bullshit. What a sick world we live in.
ReplyDeleteThanks Azra, i always feel sorry for Alice Liddle. Do you know of any pedophile who would not go ahead with it? Their like serial killers they spend all this time fantasising, so that reality changes, and delusion sets in. Then they act on their fantasies.
DeletePersonally i think he abused her, pedophiles never show restraint.
Her family banned Caroll from coming near her again, he proposed marriage to her. Does that sound like a guy who is normal?
Even if he never went through with the act, just the attention of his would have caused damage.
Anyway like i said you Jaya, you can still like his work. Art is separate from the creator.
never knew that too. while i love michael jackson and really think that he was just all that asexual, i do find some of the expensive paintings he had commissioned to be highly disturbing. have you seen those ?
ReplyDeletei still love him despite his eccentricity.
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Hmm. well Jaya, I have seen those paintings and they are disturbing, it is amazing how many people can collude and ignore when money is involved. If i wanted a painting done of me based on Bogeurous cherubs paintings with all these young children bums aimed toward the viewer and me nude i think id be arrested. He was a child molester, he was even take to court twice and if he had not died would probably have ended up in prison. But that does not diminish from what he made. I think i discussed this on an other post. I don't have an issue separating creation from the person. Lots of creative people were scumbags in their personal lives. In England we had a famous rock singer called Gary Glitter, he was found to be a pedophile, his music is still played at hockey concerts in Canada and people wonder if that is right because he molested young children and hes still making money. Well my view is, if the art is not promoting the crimes then it is fine to enjoy it.
DeleteYou cannot destroy art just because of the creator, its the thin edge of the wedge and ends up with book burning.
But people have this need to eulogise famous people and guild them with this aura, which i think destroys critical thinking. Americans tend to do it to politicians. Look what they call the Kennedys giant mansion sprawl 'Camalot'. If you look at the history of the Kennedy political clan aside from the disturbing history of dynastic politics, their family are a bunch of super rich drunks, murderers, incompetents, addicts, boot leggers and corrupt ppoliticians, who just happen to have built a fake aura of decency and liberalism around them.
'He who says it loudest has the floor'
We all buy in to this advertising and base our assumptions on an interpretation by the media machine, its really hard not to. Because they are very, very good at their job. You work in marketing, so you know how to 'sell it'. You will know more about it than me i bet.
Jackson had a lot of money and a big marketing machine behind him, so no one thinks it is odd that he takes a 6 year old boy on his 'Thriller' tour with him. Dressing the boy up as a miniture version of himself and carrying him around like a doll. The boys parents were poor of course. And i think they took him to court too.
How would you feel if a fat , bald overweight 50 year old did this?. And told you he sleeps with children but its 'chill, no sexual stuff'. Pedophiles lie. I personally think its a mental illness that feeds on its own delusion.
Sorry for the long comment. But ive heard the Michael Jackson 'asexual' defence before. And i don't think anyone would make that claim if he was not Michael Jackson. And what people think of as Michale Jackson is a marketing campaign, its millions of dollars of publicity.
We do not know the real person, or what he was like.
I hope you see this not as an attack, im just explaining my thoughts.
I still listen to Michael Jackson myself.
that's quite a thought, Jon. thanks !
Deletewhile i do find the paintings very disturbing, i never put much thought into MJ's twisted personality. i've always wondered though but it's easier to love the man for his talent and public projection. i guess there are things that we'll never know about this man. i do believe that what we are in the public eye may not be anything like what we are in our personal space.
Yeah lol, it was a bit serious wasnt it lol?. I need to put more jokes in this blog. That guy on your blog hobbit1964 made me laugh, quoting the manual at you. Is he part robot? Id hate to think how he romances his wife he probably has to fill in ten forms before she gets a kiss.
DeleteHmm never knew that at all about Carroll, but yeah the internet is a place for whack jobs like this and sickos. Not sure how such a site is even permitted online, but I guess you can't get rid of them, as they would just keep popping up.
ReplyDeleteThanks Patt, well i did not venture farther than the main page, but im guessing it hosts links to other sites. Pedophiles can be very savvy when it comes to the internet, but they always foul up because it is a mental illness. They genuinely believe that what they do and feel is normal...its just the rest of us that are nuts.
Deletenet got everything for everyone
ReplyDeleteso one needs to be careful while clicking on the link.
Thanks sm. I do agree about that link idea. I just thought because the flikr looked respectable and his blog was that his link was safe. His flikr is just art photos, no indication that hes a pedophile at all.
DeleteEh the dark side of the internet is very gloomy
ReplyDeleteIt is , but who knew it was the dark side?
DeleteIt is out in the open.
So there is actually a website on "how to become a pedophile"? Omg..that's disgusting!!! I'm tweeting your link. People need to know about this!
ReplyDeleteThanks Jax, yet its horrible and to have it in plain view like that disguised as an arti site. Thanks for promoting it.
DeleteThat's terrible... I'm speechless, I Can't believe there's a website like that. Well that's a great sketch you did though.
ReplyDeleteThanks Matt, well i reported them to Google , and im going to email my local police about it.
DeleteDid not know that. It's crazy!
ReplyDeleteThanks Izdiher, normaly i hate doing posts like this, but when i found the website i had to talk about it.
DeleteExcellent post! While writing a novel several years ago I had to do some research about Charles Dodgson a/k/a Lewis Carroll and the disturbing claims of his pedophilia and drug addiction. Absolutely fascinating. I was mesmerized.
ReplyDeleteI think you summed it up perfectly above in this portion of your reply to Jax:
"How would you feel if a fat , bald overweight 50 year old did this?. And told you he sleeps with children but its 'chill, no sexual stuff'. Pedophiles lie. I personally think its a mental illness that feeds on its own delusion."
This is so true. If someone is charming, popular, attractive, etc., we as a society simply don't want to (or choose not to) believe the worst because we don't know how to deal with it.
The world is full of so much love and beauty, but sadly, there is deep, toxic, frightening ugliness lurking where we may least expect it--like on seemingly innocent websites...or even at a neighbor's house down the street.
I know its terrible. Well at least we have the info now, it really did shock me that it posed as an art website. Anyone could wander in, even young children. I remember reading once this cop posing as a child online, in a chat room. And he thought he was only chatting on one pedo, then she said ' ok im logging off now' and about ten chats opened up saying ' no, dont go'. They were all watching...
DeleteOops--I meant in your reply to Jaya, not Jax.
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